It is intended ONLY for barrels up to 14½".it occasionally sticks in the barrel of a 16" carbine. This uses the same 100grn bullet but uses 8grns of powder and a small foam filler. Powder (25grns) looks like Vihavouri.ĮS also produce a round that will not cycle the action- different folks like different things. Accuracy is adequate for it's intended mission out to 100m or so.īullet is filled with Tungsten carbide- so not cheep. Has cycled reliably in all the rifles I have tried it in- 1960's vintage M16, Current M4, HK 416 and ruger Mini 14.īullet (on the new stuff) weighs 100grns (old was 127grn) which is marginal on stability. 223 /5.56 subsonic loads that will reliably cycle in an AR 15 type rifle The local Rifle club has approved indoor use of IPSC rifle but only with subsonic loads.Have 80, 90 and 100grn bullets available and most American brand powders and VihtaVuori pistol powders. Out of 16" barrels like our test HK 416's.it is often just supersonic (1180fps) but a few civi spec 16 barrels it stays just below the speed of sound. What powders are you using in America to produce. It is designed to be subsonic in a mil spec 14½" barrel- it is. (Bismark N,pop 321).It works as advertised within a narrow window. cost/safety/noise/one 's quite a wish list.and perhaps quite limited demand-bearing in mind the Winrem west coast under assistant sales promotion man "We sell more in Bismark,Nebraska than the UK". OR pretty considerably underloaded 22cf ,maybe too much still,and a separate mag of "fuller fox" loads for opportunity shots. Remington Subsonic Loads (Hodgdon data) reloading data with 3 loads.223. 100 of all my handloads are done with Hodgdon brands. All but 2-3 of those are with handloaded ammo. Outstanding performance and velocity can be obtained in such popular cartridges as the 22-250 Remington. The 22WRM,then 17 Hornady ended most research on all this,just as the 22lrrf had killed off the early black powder numbers,and had more consistent accuracy,when made right.Īybe the only way to get such a range of prformance as 22rf to 22cf is the modern Hornet,compromising top end, Subsonic 223 Reloading Data R primed casings with the 55gr LEE boolit for. Varget is the perfect powder for shooting the 223 Remington with heavy bullets in competitive matches. Me neither-but I've heard tell of an age when the following were in vogue:Ģ2 Winchester CF 1650 273 smokeless,and in Europe 1800fps (predecessor of the Hornet)Īnd on it went: the 25 Stevens was due for replacement immediately after WW2 by an improved cartridge: !066,can you imagine a UK culture not obsessed with ultra velocity bragging rights for often over pwered rifles? A machined case with restricted internal volume might be worth a try. can't we improve on an archaic heeled bullet, mass produced round.Ī cast or swaged HP lead 69gn bullet should be perfect. Why, when we have the ability to select one of any number of bullets, weight, profile, material, any powder type and charge, any barrel twist we fancy and take all the time we want to tinker around with seating depth etc. 22lr, you're given a 40 grain bullet and almost universally, a 1/16 twist - it works OK'ish and has done for over a hundred years. Over that same 50 years, centrefire accuracy has improved in leaps and bounds - 20 years ago a sub 1 moa rifle was something talked about in hushed tones, now it's pretty run of the mill. 50 years later, nothing much has changed - the targets at 100 yards are still the same, rifles are better but 100's are still fairly rare. In the 1960's I was shooting NSRA prone competitions with a BSA International and Tenex ammunition, on the 100 yard targets, scores in the mid to high 90's were quite usual but 100's were quite rare. 22lr has been around for 150 years, the Captain of the Cutty Sark and Abraham Lincoln would both have been quite familiar with it, it's scarcely changed at all. A silent lead HP 69grain bullet at 1050 and 170ftlbs with sub 1moa accuracy at 100 yards sounds good to me, especially if you already have the rifle. Why can't we develop a load that performs better than the humble. 22lr sub is excellent at the job it's designed for, small game at 40-80 yards, and yes, I know it can be taken further but accuracy is, at best, fairly mediocre once you get round the 100yard mark. 22lr subsonic at 1050 gives 97ftlbs - a 69grain bullet at 1050 is not far off double at about 170ftlbs. Being able to just change mags to a full power. 22 and seen a fox just out of humane range. 22lr with subsonic ammunition is that it's so very quiet, and as such is idea for rabbit sized pests at moderate ranges in noise sensitive areas, however, on a good few occasions I've been out with the. I can certainly see the sense in this, I'm just surprised it's not done more often and amazed that the accuracy problem doesn't seem to have been really cracked yet.
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